(9/3/99)

I talked to Raymond Hall (Director of this department), he said he would talk to Alan Falleri, and get back to me on about 9/7/99. I had spoken to Alan Falleri before I left for the last trip to Phoenix, he was supposed to be getting back in touch we me and has not done so yet. That was about August 1, l999.

(9/7/99)

I talked to Dale Hawley. The conversation was something on the order that if I had 'common barnyard animals' there would be no problem, but that his people felt that parrots were all pets. I asked if permits were needed for chickens, guineas, cows and the like, and that if I added those would that constitute and agricultural use...and put this issue off to the side. I explained that we do the same exact thing as the guy across the street -- EGG PRODUCTION -- AND THAT IS AN AGRICULTURAL USE... and he countered that we don't eat ours.

Well, the turkey farm does not eat theirs, either, although parrot eggs are certainly eaten in many parts of the world. We finished our discussion with that when I am going to be there, I will call him so he and his supervisors can come out for the 'cheap tour', and would he like to stick his fingers into a cage....any cage....just to make sure they are not pets??? I also told him that all birds are defined as vertebrates with feathers, so all birds are alike...be they parrots, turkeys, vultures, gulls, you name it.